I saw a delightful fight online yesterday. ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏

I witnessed a delightful online argument this week. I’d like to share it with you, along with some other fun stuff.

Hello, by the way! Andrew, here, from the TBTL podcast. I hope this email finds you well.

Animated gif of Bert from Sesame Street shaking with anger and yelling. Text says "How your email finds me"

I was scrolling through Bluesky yesterday when I saw comedian Paul F. Tompkins react indignantly to someone suggesting that he could play Bert in a live-action Bert and Ernie movie. I was surprised that Paul would be insulted by the suggestion; I don’t find Bert to be a particularly ugly Muppet, as far as Muppets go. But it turns out, Paul was already riled up after receiving an onslaught of criticism over an earlier post. 

The previous evening, purportedly before going to bed, Paul shared this seemingly reasonable critique of the relationship between Sesame Street’s Bert and Ernie: “Ernie has always been in the wrong and Bert has always been absolutely correct to be frustrated by Ernie’s chaotic bullshit.”

Image of a Bluesky post from Paul F Tompkins that says "I have to go to bed but real quick Ernie has always been in the wrong and Bert has always been absolutely correct to be frustrated by Ernie’s chaotic bullshit.”

As someone who clearly identifies as an “Order Muppet” myself, I see no lie in Paul’s observation. If you’re unfamiliar with Dahlia Lithwick’s philosophy of Chaos Muppets vs Order Muppets, I highly recommend her 2012 Slate piece in which she argues: 

“Every one of us is either a Chaos Muppet or an Order Muppet.

Chaos Muppets are out-of-control, emotional, volatile…They make their way through life in a swirling maelstrom of food crumbs, small flaming objects, and the letter C. Cookie Monster, Ernie, Grover, Gonzo, Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and -- paradigmatically -- Animal, are all Chaos Muppets.

Order Muppets -- and I’m thinking about Bert, Scooter, Sam the Eagle, Kermit the Frog, and the blue guy who is perennially harassed by Grover at restaurants…tend to be neurotic, highly regimented, [and] averse to surprises...They sometimes resent the responsibility of the world weighing on their felt shoulders, but they secretly revel in the knowledge that they keep the show running.”

It’s almost unsettling how much I identify with Dahlia’s description of an Order Muppet. I’m guessing that Paul F. Tompkins would see some of himself in that portrayal, too. Which is why I consider his opinion on Ernie to be more than reasonable. 

The internet, as it often does, disagreed though, leading to one of the more enjoyable fracases I’ve seen in a while. One of the most sticky arguments (from folks who I assume identify as Chaos Muppets) is that Ernie invites Bernie’s “chaotic bullshit” into his life by choosing to live with him. Others argue that this blame-the-victim mentality also assumes a level of financial mobility on the part of Bert. Heck, we don’t know if he can just pick-up and move into his own apartment. He might be deeply in debt from buying all those books about pigeons. 

Anyway, I don’t want to quote the whole thing here, but I do suggest checking out the full thread if you want to forget about the real world for a bit. 

While we’re on the topic of Bluesky and Things On The Internet That Spark Joy, I also just stumbled on this 30-year-old local TV story from Baltimore about rave culture. Here are some of my favorite quotes from the piece:

“To teenagers, raves might be considered the best thing since MTV.” 

“Just as rap music and baggy clothes and espresso have come to symbolize 90s fad culture, raves are making their mark.” 

“Anyone is accepted at a rave, except a person with an ego.” 

“It’s all electronic, and there’s no singing.”

Still YouTube image of a 1990s TV news anchor with text and logo that says "RAVE ON" behind her.

And finally, since this is supposed to be a TBTL newsletter, let me update you on The Great TBTL  Billboard Hunt! We are asking you, the Tens of Listeners, to try and guess where in the world we’re putting up our very first TBTL billboard. Last week, Jon joined us on the show to offer the first clue, which is that it’s somewhere in the United States. 

He hopped on the podcast again today to review some of the first guesses to roll in (no winners yet!) and to offer our second clue, which is somehow even less helpful than the first. It was an audio clue taken from a U2 song. If you missed it, Jon has paraphrased it here for you. 

Still YouTube image of Jon Sklaroff wearing a TBTL softball jersey talking into a microphone.

Can you guess where the billboard is going up? Email Jon your predictions here! 

As for me, I’m going to go check on my favorite paper clip collection. I hope you all have a wonderful, chaos-free weekend (unless you like them a little messy.) Luke and I will talk to you Monday! 

--Andrew

 

Hey Dummies

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This Week On TBTL

1970s or maybe 80s era photo of a little kid sitting on a yellow couch listening to big headphones.

#4474 Bright, Almost Neon Orange Hosiery 
Monday, May 26
Camaro Kev swings by to tell Luke and Andrew about his time in some of the sketchiest dive bars the greater Vancouver, WA, area has to offer. They also get a much needed update from Coach Ben on the TBTL Junior Sluggers. And Andrew is still glowing after his day of hot Whirleyball action.

#4475 Brand Practice
Tuesday, May 27
Luke and Andrew reminisce about their experiences with The Magnetic Fields, grade school band practice, and strange things Luke has witnessed outside his hotel windows over the years. They also discuss HBO’s “bold” decision to call itself HBO again. 

#4476 What About Bobble? 
Wednesday, May 28
Andrew is headed to the Mariners game tonight, where he hopes to get a bobblehead for Genevieve. He and Luke also discuss the TikTok trend of men calling each other to say “goodnight.” 

#4477 A Rolling Walsh Gathers No Coffee
Thursday, May 29
Luke enjoyed heavy metal music yesterday and got a fist bump from James Hetfield. Andrew found himself out late last night and without coffee this morning. 

#4478 Literally Edmonds And Culturally Lutheran 
Friday, May 30
Jon joins Luke and Andrew to reveal Clue #2 in the Great TBTL Billboard Hunt! Plus, Andrew engaged in some questionable behavior at Tuesday’s Mariners game. And Luke’s flight home from NYC might have been the weirdest flight he’s ever been on.

 

Ten Of The Week

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